Jordan: A confession for the weekend: I’m really bad about trying new things when it comes to entertainment. And it’s only gotten worse. I rewatch TV shows, I reread books. Even documentaries I rewatch. I’ve seen planet earth a thousand times. I still haven’t seen. All of its sequels the first time. I rewatch movies especially, all the time. And even when somebody tells me, Hey, if you love that movie, you will definitely enjoy this one. I still go for the old one. But now? Now I’ve basically been in my house for six weeks and everything is the same every day. So I’m ready for something new, but only a little bit new. And I need help. And I’m not alone in this. Claire, what have you been watching?
Claire: Well, it’s funny that you say you’re guilty of rewatching things because I almost never rewatch anything. So constantly having to find new stuff when I have all this time is difficult. But right now, and maybe it’s just because I want to take my mind off of all the seriousness of the situation that we’re in, I find myself craving things that are light and witty. So lots of romcoms, especially from the 90s, which was never the case for me before. And another thing that I’ve been watching is Life in Pieces because Netflix just released the latest season, and that’s one that I want to take slow because I know that once it ends, I’ll be back to not immediately having that kind of content that I feel like I need right now to take my mind off things.
Jordan: See, we all need some new things to watch, but I also don’t want to get us the new things that we feel we should watch, the stuff everybody is talking about. So here’s what I did. I asked all the people I know, all the people who watch different types of things, so people who love superhero movies and car chases, people like Claire who love romcoms, people who love indie movies, people who love the Oscar bait, the sitcom fans, the documentary people, and I asked them what they’d been watching. And I took those types of films and shows to someone whose job it is to literally watch everything. And then I gave him some rules and asked for some recommendations. So, for what to watch while you’re on lockdown the rules are simple: One, his picks have to be available in Canada on a major network or a streaming service, or to rent very cheaply. And two, you can’t force anyone out of their comfort zone with these picks. We ask for picks for certain types of viewers because they want to be in their comfort zone. They just need something a little bit new. So, you want to know what you’re going to watch this weekend? We’ll tell you in just a minute, and we’ll also examine the future of theatre going and of Hollywood, as soon as Claire gives us the news.
Claire: Well more funding has been announced from the federal government, and this time, Justin Trudeau has announced a $1.1 billion plan to help develop, test and manufacture a vaccine for COVID-19, and that’s on top of the $275 million in research funding that the Liberals announced in March. Saskatchewan has become the first province in the country to have a plan for how some businesses can start reopening in May. Premier Scott Moe says starting May 4th dentists, optometrists, and physical therapists can open their doors again. Golf courses can reopen May 15th, and most retail businesses can reopen May 19th. There’s still no plan for the reopening of things like gyms and theatres, and this plan can only happen if the number of cases stays low. For the first time in almost a hundred years, the Calgary Stampede has been canceled. It was supposed to take place from July 3rd to July 12th but Calgary’s Chief of Emergency Management says this move was mandatory and this is going to have a major economic impact. The stampede brings in about $540 million to the province every year. As of Thursday evening, 42,110 cases of COVID-19 in Canada with 2,232 deaths.
Jordan: I’m Jordan Heath Rawlings. This is The Big Story. Norm Wilner is the senior film writer for NOW magazine. He’s also the host of Someone Else’s Movie, a podcast on this network, and the host of a podcast not on this network, which is called NOW What? And it’s about how Toronto and Torontonians are coping with our weird new normal. Hi Norm.
Norm: Hey, how are you?
Jordan: I’m all right. How’s your weird new normal?
Norm: It’s, you know, I work at home mostly. I don’t think much has changed, except that I’m not going out to see movies, which is eerie and weird. The last movie I would’ve seen was The Hunt, which was the morning of Wednesday, March 11th. And then I could have gone to see Bloodshot that night, but I didn’t. It was in the IMAX room at the Scotiabank theatre, and I thought, I feel uneasy about being in a place with that many people. And I didn’t go. That was the last opportunity I would’ve had to see a movie with a crowd.
Jordan: Well, we’ll talk about your recommendations, cause I’ve got some weird categories for you. But before we do that, was that your last chance to see a movie with that big a crowd? Is this going to profoundly changed theatre going in the longterm? Are we gonna lose theatres? What is going to the movies going to look like when we’re through this?
Norm: Nobody is sure. I think, down the line, two, three years from now, it will be normal again to go and sit in a a space with 500 people who might be coughing. The first year, we’re probably going to have some kind of weird social distancing rule where you have to sit, you know, two seats apart or three seats apart. Because if we’re supposed to be covering a six foot, two meter space, that’s not just one empty seat, that’s two. So theatres are going to be operating way under capacity, and that’s assuming people are willing to go back because the psychological thing is going to be an issue too. I mean, I’m feeling pretty confident that I can go to a movie theatre and just not touch my face and wash my hands as soon as the movie is over or just have hand sanitizer with me, which I was doing for the last couple of weeks before this all shut down anyway. And I’m not gonna tick my way through it. I’m not going to worry about that. But other people might not be that good at compartmentalizing. And I don’t know. I don’t know. I think a lot of theatres are probably going to be very different for the short term. Once there’s a vaccine, everything is going to go back to normal very quickly because I think we’re going to need that as social creatures, as humans. But the psychology of it is going to be more important than the actual mechanics of it I think, in the first six months when we start getting back to normal. I don’t know when theatres will feel comfortable reopening, which is something else. I know that in Georgia, the chains are already saying, we’re not in any hurry to open on April 29th when the governor says we can. So that’s a plus. I think, you know, they, they understand liability more than anything else and that’s going to help in the long run as we readjust.
Jordan: What about when theatres do reopen, what they play? Because there are no movies being made really right now anywhere in the world. You can’t do that, right? You need a massive cast and crew. Like what happens to Hollywood? What’s this done to it?
Norm: We’re in a really weird place, right? I think there’s going to be a window where all the event movies they’ve been sitting on get trickled out rather than, you know, Universal rushing to put out the Fast and Furious movie and Disney racing to put out its Marvel films within two or three months of each other, which was the original plan. I think they’re going to space that out a little bit more and then use that time to get back up to speed. I mean, there’s a lot of stuff that’s in post production that’s going to be finished and ready. There’s stuff that can be finished quickly because it shut down, you know, with 80 or 90% of shooting done. It’s not going to be absolute emptiness, but it will be a slow return to a production line. And I mean, there are even television series that didn’t finish their seasons this year because they stopped shooting in February or March. And it’s going to be weird, but people will just have to accept it for the first six to eight months, I guess, once everything ramps up again. But on the other hand, there’s suddenly going to be an interest in low budget movies. There’s going to be an interest in small films about people. And this might weirdly, you know, every time we talk about Blockbuster culture, I end up complaining that it’s killed the mid-range movie that no one goes to see movies in theatres if they don’t have giant explosions and CG to justify the cost of a ticket. Maybe that will change. Maybe we’ll have this tiny window where all the smaller movies that are ready to go, we’ll get a chance to go into movie theatres.
Jordan: I love that you’re hopeful about things going back to the golden age of movies because of this. So I put you on the spot. I put you on the spot this week because, to be honest, this came from a discussion that me and Claire had where, Claire says she’s been watching old romcoms and I’ve been watching some of my old favourite movies, that’s basically the only thing I watch when I need comfort. And so we decided we wanted new things to watch without leaving our comfort zone. And it turned out a lot of other people could use those recommendations too. So I just asked people, and now you have to fill these recommendations, based on type. But you’re not allowed to like go way out of someone’s comfort zone. You have to give them something they will enjoy. Fair?
Norm: This is a good challenge. I mean, I never– I’m always at a loss when people ask me what they should see because I don’t know what they like. You know, like just randomly, whenever it comes up and it comes up a lot because of the job. But I usually just say, well, what was the last thing you watched that you really liked? And then they’ll tell me something that makes a connection with something else. You were kind enough to give me a hint of some of these things. So I’ve spent a few hours putting lists together potentially, and hit me. Let’s do this.
Jordan: Okay. The first one is easy and you just touched on it. People who right now would ordinarily be going to see the big budget start of summer blockbuster movies and they missed the Avengers and the Fast and the Furious. Give them something.
Norm: If you’re really craving that kind of thing, I’m assuming we’re not talking about all-star stuff. We’re talking more about big, dumb stuff that you can go to and enjoy watching, clever blow up stuff. Well, there’s one called Six Underground that Netflix bought in, I think they released it in January, December or January. It’s a Ryan Reynolds action movie with Michael Bay. It’s terrible. That is my caution. It is not good at all, but it has all the things that a blockbuster has. It has car chases, it has shootings, it has jumping up and down, it has people leaping off of high things and landing in broken glass, it’s got cool attitude and people walking away from explosions and everybody’s very pretty and beautifully photographed. So if you are looking solely for that kind of overload, put it on and just do something else. And every now and then there’ll be a really loud noise and you’ll turn your head and watch it and think, Oh yeah, I like that sort of thing. That’s the one that’s immediately available. It’s on Netflix. They paid way too much money for it. That’s the one that I’m pushing on people just because when people say, I want this kind of movie, it is that kind of movie. It is not good, but it’s satisfying in that way. That said, if you want something that is good and satisfying in that way. There’s a movie called Lockout from about 2012 with Guy Pierce. It’s basically a rip off of Escape from New York, except that instead of rescuing the president from bombed out Manhattan in 1997, our hero has to rescue the president’s daughter from a space station, where she’s been taken, she’s been taken hostage at this station that has been taken over by convicts. And it’s really fun. It’s really dumb. It’s dumb in a smart way. And every time I’ve recommended it to somebody, they say, Oh, that looks stupid. It’s like, yeah, I know. Try it. And it’s always a hit. People love that. I think it was on Netflix, but I think it’s off now. I couldn’t find it when I looked this morning, but it is on iTunes and Google Play and Microsoft, you can rent it for a couple of bucks and it is a blast. So if you haven’t seen that, it is ever so much fun. It’s called Lockout. It should have been called Space Prison because that’s what it’s about. And in fact, if you search Twitter for Space Prison movie, you will see a whole bunch of people you didn’t know loving this film. So that’s one that I would happily happily recommend. And when the most people haven’t seen apparently.
Jordan: There we go. People who have been turning to feel good romcoms in order to feel better about everything.
Norm: That one’s easy. There’s all kinds of those. Some of them are even good. The F Word is one that I’ve just been recommending left and right for National Canadian film day, which was on Wednesday. That’s the one where Daniel Radcliffe and Zoe Khazan play people who fall into friendship because they’re attracted to each other, but she has a boyfriend and they can’t act on their attraction. It is basically a very clever reworking of When Harry Met Sally. Set in Toronto, shot in 2012/13 the city looks great. There are people everywhere. Now it’s this amazing nostalgic feeling for, Oh yeah, Toronto, where you could just wander into stores and do stuff with your friends, but it’s also really smart. It’s really fun. The supporting cast is like all stars now. It’s full of wonderful little moments and beautifully observed bits. It’s got a heart. It’s got a soul. It’s funny. It’s like this tiny little pocket of immensely talented people making a great movie. And it was released in the States as What If, because you can’t put The F Word on a marquee. And you can find it here, it’s on CBC Gem for free. And I think it’s also on Crave, if you have that. And it’s wonderful. It’s the one that I keep coming back to and you know, I think seven years later it just, it’s only gotten better in my memory and I watched it again a couple of years ago and it totally holds up.
Jordan: Great. What about people who want to sound really cool and smart and snobby at their next office Zoom drinks with, you know, I watched this little indie thing that you’ve never heard about. Norm, this is like your free bingo square.
Norm: I’ve been pushing a bunch of stuff that, it turns out, it’s all on Amazon Prime these days. Three films, You Were Never Really Here, which is the Joaquin Phoenix movie that you should see instead of Joker. It’s about a ticking time bomb of a man who is under immense pressure, but it’s also really good, as opposed to the other thing. He should have won the Oscar for that, he didn’t, so they gave it to him for joker. So, fine. Watch that and tell people that it’s better than Joker. You’ll feel good about yourself. The Lighthouse is on the Amazon prime as well. That’s the one with Willem Dafoe and Robert Pattinson locked up together in a late 18th century lighthouse somewhere off the coast of America and going slowly insane together. It is a perfect movie for our quarantine times, but it’s also weird and funny and Lovecraftian in a really strange way, in that it sort of seems to be a horror movie, but it’s actually a comedy. And I guarantee you, you will have a great time watching this movie, or you’ll hate it on site, and then you should watch something else immediately. But you’ll know in the first two minutes if this is for you. And if it is, it’s so much fun. Oh, and the third one is another Prime, a title called Dark River, which is a drama from a British director named Clio Barnard, who is just this great, austere artists, about people and broken families, and ancestral DNA memory. And it stars Ruth Wilson as a woman who returns home to her family farm after her father dies, and she and her brother just sort of have to work through the loss, even though neither of them especially liked him, and they’re very conflicted about what to do with the farm. It’s just a small, simple drama. But it’s beautifully photographed, their performances are amazing, and this is the one fun thing you can drop when you’re talking at your office party is that it’s the only movie where Sean Bean dies before it even starts. But he sort of shows up as a memory. He’s there, not as a ghost, but just as their memory of him in moments. And it’s really, it’s very, very good.
Jordan: And you can be snobby. Okay, we’re going to move faster now because I’ve got a lot of these.
Norm: Okay.
Jordan: This is, this is a good one. There’s a lot of parents who have been enviously watching people during quarantine binge all these shows and movies, and they have not had time for that. So parents who are way behind on watching sort of the ever-present thing that everyone has been watching, and now they’ve got time to watch, like just a couple of them.
Norm: Well, I would go directly to what I think is the best show on television right now, which is Better Call Saul. The first four seasons of that are on Netflix. The fifth season just finished, but you can watch it on demand. If you have cable AMC, we’ll have all 10 episodes of the fifth season available, and it’ll be on Netflix fairly soon. But if you really want to do the full workup, start with Breaking Bad and then watch Better Call Saul. So that’ll kill a few weeks. So that’s there to start with, if you’ve missed that. Also on Netflix, you can find The Good Place, which is my favourite comedy of the last few years, or the last decade probably. It’s a philosophical masterclass tucked into a slightly supernatural afterlife comedy about a terrible person who wakes up in Heaven, knows she doesn’t belong in there, and will do anything she can in order to stay. It’s just marvellous. And that’s something that not enough people watched when it was on the air. So yeah, Better Call Saul and The Good Place. They’re also both stories of moral flexibility and what it is to genuinely be a better person and how difficult that can be. And then there’s Kim’s Convenience on gem and Netflix, which is just something I watch to make myself happy.
Jordan: Perfect.
Norm: Yeah. A wonderful little comedy. Or you can do The Wire, that’s on Crave, but that’s heavy going.
Jordan: I’ve rewatched that a few times. Speaking of things I rewatched to be comforted, oddly enough. Okay. Next one. Sports fans who are just bummed right now.
Norm: Yeah. I found a couple of hockey movies that I would recommend. The Grizzlies is on Crave. That’s a true-ish story about a hockey team in the middle of nowhere that was created by a guy who showed up, taught some kids to play hockey in order to stop them from sinking into suicidal depression. Ultimately, that’s what it’s really about. And while it is a rousing sports movie in that you get to watch these, you know, ragtag kids form a team together, it’s also fully aware of all of those subtexts and all of the things that are going on about colonialism and First Nations being treated terribly by Canada in general and the sort of culture shock that you get when anyone goes from one part of the country to the other, but also amplified by all of these other issues. It’s really, really smart. It was co-written by Moira Walley-Beckett who created Anne with an E and wrote on Breaking Bad, and it’s just such a weird resume, and she brings all those elements, this cultural sensitivity, this cultural understanding and the sense of place and time and texture, to this film. And the other one is Goalie, which came out earlier in 2019, like a year ago, I think it opened in March of last year. It’s a biopic about Terry Sawchuck, the goalie, who played for most of the original six teams in the NHL and was dead by 40 because of the damage to his body and the alcoholism that resulted in– that resulted from an attempt to self medicate the damage and a whole bunch of other issues. And it’s a tragedy, but it’s based on a poem cycle about Sawchuk. And so it’s got this really evocative, empathetic texture. And the director and co-writer, Adriana mags did an amazing job of realizing Sawchuk’s world, both as a child, and then as a player, on an almost nonexistent budget. I think a lot of hockey fans would be uncomfortable with the idea of it because it shows that the sport, I mean, the way I described it at the time was, it’s a movie about a guy who gave everything to a sport and got nothing back. But it’s deeper and richer than that. And if you see it, rather than just read that synopsis, I think hockey fans would really connect to it on some level. I mean, it’s an ugly truth about the sport. And it’s something that’s kind of being addressed now in the present day. But this is where it all started and I think it’s definitely worth taking a look at it.
Jordan: Next. We have a kids who are stuck at home and who have seen, we’re going to assume for the purposes of this, have seen all the big, big Pixar movies, the Up and Inside Out, and have seen the new Frozen, et cetera. But parents are desperate for something new and similar to that, that they will like. So not terrible. Something parents can also watch, but primarily for kids.
Norm: Yeah, I went straight to Netflix for this because I wanted to make sure they were still up there. They have a lot of Aardman films, which is a British stop motion house, which I just love to pieces. They created Wallace and Gromit. They gave us Chicken Run and Shaun the Sheep, and all of those films are on Netflix just waiting to be loved. There’s also hours and hours and hours of the Shaun the Sheep television show, which is really smart and clever. And kids can watch that, adults can enjoy the additional levels of humour, shall we say, that Aardman indulges in, which is very silly puns and the occasional rude humour. But it’s just wonderful to watch. The stories are always smarter and better than they need to be. Chicken Run is the great escape, except with chickens, who are going to be made into pot pies. And then in February, they released the new Shaun the Sheep movie as a Netflix exclusive. The first one was released theatrically and is around various services. But the sequel, Farmagedden where an alien lands and Mossy Bottom farm and Shaun befriends the alien, and that’s basically the entire story, but it’s just, it’s ET but with stop motion cheap. It’s wonderful. So those are all available. A Chicken Run, The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, Farmagedden and a bunch of other Shaun the Sheeps. Netflix also has the two Paddington films, which you know, you deserve joy and you should watch those. They’re magnificent. I am a grumpy old man and I cry happy tears at both of them. They’re just, they’re these perfect children’s narratives that are also utterly applicable to adults. And they offer the amazing spectacle of watching A-list actors like Nicole Kidman in the first one in Hugh Grant in the second one just be absolutely ridiculous as the villains. It’s the thing that comforts British children apparently, watching baddies be really, really ridiculous. And so the kids who grew up watching those in the sixties and seventies, those movies, are now dying to do that role themselves. And so you get Nicole Kidman and new grant just enjoying the hell out of themselves playing ludicrous villains in these movies. And also you’ve got just the pure joy of watching a CG Paddington that doesn’t insult the children’s books. That doesn’t– I mean, Peter Rabbit, if you’ve seen that, that’s the way not to make these movies. This is the way to do it right.
Jordan: The total opposite of that, then. The next one, when all this began, Contagion, I believe, shot up to like number one on Netflix. And I don’t understand that because that seems like a horrible thing to do to yourself right now. But there are people leaning into this who want that kind of like science disaster thriller.
Norm: Well, it’s because they give you happy endings, right? There isn’t a single one that ends with the world ending. 12 Monkeys maybe. But it starts that way. I think that’s it. We’re looking for– we’re trying to impose structure on this pandemic. And so if you watch a movie which has a beginning in the middle and an end, you can come away feeling that you have some kind of control. You do not. But it’s a nice dream for two hours to watch people work together and figure it out. So yeah, Contagion. And Contagion is a great example because it is a terrific movie. Yeah, it’s great. But yeah, I don’t want to revisit it yet either. I’m not ready. But there’s also Outbreak, the Andromeda Strain and 12 Monkeys. And 12 Monkeys is a movie where, you know, humanity doesn’t win. The virus kills, I think, 90% of humanity before the movie even starts. And then it’s about using time travel to try and find a way to stabilize the virus in the future so the rest of humanity can survive. But, it’s a lot of fun for a movie about a lethal plague and you can enjoy it because it’s just a little wild so you don’t have to fully commit to the reality of it, which is very helpful. And also Brad Pitt with that thing on his eye, just being weird and crazy. It’s a fun performance from Brad Pitt, but it’s another way of distancing yourself from the fact that we’re all sitting at home in our individual panic rooms just waiting to see who starts coughing.
Jordan: We’re going to go rapid fire now. So now you just have to give me– you’re going to have to give me the titles and we’ve got a few more to do. This one, I just wanted to challenge you. Adam Sandler fans?
Norm: I can’t help them.
Jordan: That was your chance to go Uncut Gems.
Norm: Well, I was going to say they, I can’t help them if they really want an Adam Sandler movie, but they should absolutely watch Uncut Gems or Punch Drunk Love if they don’t want a panic attack in the first five minutes. They’re both great. Uncut Gems is a full on anxiety movie and Punch Drunk Love is this swooning romance about a man who can’t control his temper, but Sandler’s amazing in both of those. I mean, if you’re an Adam Sandler fan, you’ve probably already seen all of his other movies. So, yeah, try something new.
Jordan: What about people who want to get a headstart on watching something that might be on next year’s Skype-based Oscar’s. Has there been anything so far this year that you think we’re going to see it awards season next year quickly?
Norm: I really hope that Neon enters Portrait of a Lady on Fire again for consideration. They ran it last year because it was not the French submission for foreign language film and they should have submitted it cause it’s a masterpiece. It’s out now on iTunes and people should absolutely watch it. Also, this year’s releases, I think Never Rarely Sometimes Always is amazing. It’s this devastating American film about a teenage girl and her cousin going from a small town in Pennsylvania to New York for an abortion, because Pennsylvania is a parental notification state and New York isn’t. So in order to do that the way they want to do it, they have to go to New York. And it’s just about the 48 hours it takes them to get there, and it’s really, really powerful. And maybe The Invisible Man, I think Elizabeth Moss might have a shot at best actress, especially if nothing else comes up in the next nine months.
Jordan: I forgot that. Yeah. There might be no more new movies. So this might be it for the Oscars.
Norm: Pretty slim pickings.
Jordan: A mindless TV show to play on the background while you try to get on with your day.
Norm: I would, I would recommend Community, which is my favourite sitcom of the last decade and is on, I think most of it is on Amazon. All of it is also on Netflix right now. Its visual storytelling is just wild enough that every now and then, if it’s on in the background, you’ll turn around and glimpse something really bizarre, like, Danny Pudi dressed up as Batman or a zombie outbreak or an entire episode that parodies Apollo 13 because the characters are trapped in an RV that won’t stop rolling across the middle of nowhere. And the people back at the college have to work to get them free with only what’s available to the people on the RV. It’s a sublime silliness. Whatever you choose, whichever season, even the gas leak season, there will be something in there that’s fun and weird and will keep your brain bopping along quietly in the background. I think that’s what I would go with.
Jordan: What about a documentaries?
Norm: Netflix just put one from last spring called Knock Down the House on YouTube for free, ostensibly for educators, but anybody can watch it. It’s the story of the 2018 House and Senate race, the midterms, the midterm elections in the States. And they followed a number of people who were all trying to unseat Republicans or even longstanding Democrats, by running out on a radical campaign platform. And one of the people they followed was Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. And so I found myself rewatching that a little while ago, and just thinking, yeah, okay. There might be a chance that everybody does pull together and we get out of this intact after all. There’s also a film called American Factory that I’m not an upbeat film. It’s about the collision of expectations between American workers and Chinese factory conglomerate. They’re the Chinese conglomerate that has bought their factory, and it’s pretty great in the way that it understands and empathizes with everybody and tries to see the larger picture. But it also says, the world is falling apart and nothing we do is going to make it any better until we actually start listening to each other, which is another message that I think we need to hear right now.
Jordan: Thanks for this, Norm. Before I let you go, what is the single best thing that you’ve watched for the first time since you were stuck in your house?
Norm: Yeah, I mean, I’ve been revisiting a lot. I’ve been doing the same thing, the comfort food thing. Kate and I have been watching a lot of seventies New York movies just because, you know, we love New York and it’s fun to look at it, but it’s also a world that doesn’t exist anymore. Oh, there’s a TV show I can recommend.
Jordan: Do it.
Norm: It’s a Canada– or it’s a Netflix UK coproduction, but it’s called Feel Good. It’s a six part mini series. It’s a comedy. They’ll probably be a second season. I really hope they’re well produced in the UK by a Canadian, a Toronto standup comic named Mae Martin who moved there a few years ago. The show is about her as a version of herself falling for a woman who identifies as straight, and the complications that that creates in both of their lives. The smartest thing about it is that they are a couple by the middle of the first episode, and it’s not a will they-won’t they. It’s a totally, yes, they’re all in, and it’s about how the world responds. But it’s also about depression and addiction and identity and sexuality and, and a whole bunch of other things. And it’s also really, really funny. It’s great. You should see it.
Jordan: Excellent. Thank you, Norm. Stay well, and now I have some new things to watch.
Norm: Yeah, I should hope so. You’ve been taking notes.
Jordan: Yes, I have. Norm Wilner wears a lot of hats. He wears them all at home right now. He’s the senior film writer at NOW, he’s also the host of NOW What? and of Someone Else’s Movie, which you can find at frequencypodcastnetwork.com just like you can find this show right there. And you can also find this show at thebigstorypodcasts.ca. You can also talk to us at @thebigstoryFPN. You can actually talk to Norm at @SEMcast. And of course you can find us, both of us, in any podcast player that you happen to choose. It doesn’t matter, Apple, Google, Stitcher, Spotify. Look us both up, give us both ratings and reviews and give us both five stars. Me and Norm appreciate it. Claire Brassard is the lead producer of The Big Story. Stefanie Phillips and Ryan Clarke are our associate producers. Annalise Nielsen is our digital editor. And I’m Jordan Heath Rawlings, have yourself a great weekend. Stay safe. We’ll talk Monday.
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